Mount Baker Amateur Radio Club Repeater Group
We present this guide with the hope that it will make using repeaters easier to understand and it will answer your questions without dwelling on the many technical details.
What is a repeater?
What is offset?
Virtually all radios sold today set the offset once you have chosen the (- or +). As an example the Sumas Mountain repeater output is 145.230 MHz. The input or the frequency it listens on is 144.630 MHz (600 Kilohertz below). If you have your radio tuned to 145.230 MHz and have entered the “-“ offset, when you push the push to talk (PTT) switch, it automatically transmits on 144.630 MHz. When you release the PTT to listen, the radio reverts back to 145.230 MHz to listen on the repeater’s output frequency.
Note: There are exceptions to the rule so check local repeater listings.
How do you call someone
on a repeater?
If you are just announcing your presence on the repeater it is helpful to others that may be listening if you identify the repeater you are using. Example: “This is W7XYZ listening on 145.23”. This allows people that are listening on radios that scan several repeaters to identify which repeater you are using.
repeater you are using is a busy repeater you may consider moving to a simplex
frequency (transmit and receive on the same frequency), once you have made
contact with the station you were calling.
Repeaters are designed to facilitate communications between stations that
normally wouldn’t be able to communicate because of terrain or power
limitations. If you can maintain
your conversation without using the repeater, going “simplex” will leave the
repeater free for other stations to use.
The first and most important rule is LISTEN FIRST. Nothing is more annoying then someone that “keys up” in the middle of another conversation without first checking to make sure the repeater is free. If the repeater is in use, wait for a pause in the conversation and simply announce your call sign and wait for one of the other stations to acknowledge your call.
When you are using the repeater leave a couple of seconds between exchanges to allow other stations to join in or make a quick call. Most repeaters have a “Courtesy Beep” that will help in determining how long to pause. The courtesy beep serves two purposes, a repeater timeout function and it allows other to join in or make a call. Repeaters have a time out function that will shut down the transmitter if the repeater is held on for a preset length of time (normally three minutes). This ensures that if someone’s transmitter is stuck on for any reason, it won’t hold the repeater’s transmitter on indefinitely.
When a ham is talking and releases the PTT switch on their radio, the controller in the repeater detects the loss of carrier and resets the time-out timer. When the timer is reset, the repeater sends out the courtesy beep. If you wait until you hear this beep (normally a couple of seconds), before you respond, you can be sure that you pause a suitable length of time. After you hear the beep, the repeater’s transmitter will stay on for a few more seconds before turning off. This is referred to as the “hang time”. The length of hang time will vary from repeater to repeater but the average is about 2 or 3 seconds. You don’t have to wait for the “hang time” to drop before keying up again, but you should make sure that you hear the courtesy beep before going ahead.
Note: If you don’t wait for the beep and allow the time-out timer to reset, or run on longer than the timer is set for, you will time-out the repeater. The repeater will not function till you allow the timer to reset.
If you are wondering if you can access a repeater, key your radio and give “Your Call, Testing”.
Basic repeater traffic priorities:
Remember, nothing is private on a repeater. If you have something of a private nature to talk about, both parties need to use the phone. There is no need to say “no contact”, “nothing heard”, or “clear” after making a call. Everybody monitoring the repeater has heard your conversation and knows you didn’t contact someone. Do not repeat what you hear on a police frequency. There are laws controlling disseminating information you heard on a scanner.
Before you leave on vacation, DO NOT announce your intensions over the air. You never know who is listening to your conversation and is waiting for you to leave town.
In cases of emergency, hams should use the words “Break for an emergency” between exchanges if the repeater is being used. By using the words above, you should be heard by the people using the repeater.
Above all, be courteous, kind, and helpful. This is a great hobby and everybody who uses the repeaters are human and should be treated the way you would like to be treated.
When two stations try to talk at the same time the signals mix in the repeater’s receiver and results in a buzzing sound or loud squawk. When you are involved in a roundtable discussion with several other stations it is always best to pass off to a specific person rather than leave it up in the air. Example: “KC7ABC to take it, this is W7XYZ” or “Do you have any comments Joe? W7XYZ”. Failing to do so is an invitation to chaos and confusion.
If you request a signal report from someone on a repeater remember that all you will get is an indication of how well you are “getting into the repeater”. The signal report you receive will be a report of the repeater’s performance, not yours!
I have actually heard stations say, “You’re full scale here”, when asked for a signal report. You’re not full scale, the repeater is! If you are testing with different radios or antenna systems you would be better off finding a station to work simplex (direct contact on a single frequency). Then any changes you make while you are testing will be reflected in the signal report relative to that station.
When you hear a station tell another station that their signal is full quieting it means that they are getting into the repeater with no noise on their signal. You will notice that weaker signals will have what is often described as “bacon frying” sounds in the background. If your signal is strong enough to fully quiet the repeater’s receiver when there is no audio (your voice) then you are full quieting.
From time to time, particularly in the summer, VHF signals are transmitted far beyond their normal range. This is caused by changes in temperature and humidity at different levels of the atmosphere and this phenomenon is called Sporadic E. Without going into a lot of technical reasons, the signal effectively gets trapped between these layers much like air is trapped in a heating duct. When the signal escapes it can be many hundreds of miles away.
This presents an interesting problem for repeaters. Many repeaters share the same pair of operating frequencies, but because they are so far away from each other, they don’t normally interfere with each other. When there is an inversion (or ducting) all bets are off. It is not uncommon for a station to “bring up” several repeaters hundreds of miles apart with one transmission. The resulting confusion can make for some interesting long distance contacts.
You will often hear hams refer to a certain repeater that has tone on it. What they mean is that the repeater has to detect a sub audible tone, transmitted by your radio, before you can use the repeater. Check with the sponsor of the repeater to see what tone they use. Most repeater groups require that you belong to their group before revealing the tone frequencies.
Tone squelch on your receiver is a very valuable feature if you are in an area plagued with a lot of interference, sometimes referred too as “intermod”. By programming the code for tone squelch into your radio receiver (check your operating manual) you can eliminate all the interference. Your radio’s receiver will only open up for the repeater it is set for and no others. Again check with the repeater sponsor to see if this feature is offered.
When listening to the local repeater the new ham will be greeted with all sorts of strange terms. Probably the most common will be the use of “73” when stations are signing off. “73” is a holdover from the days of landline telegraph and is generally accepted as “Best Regards”.
You will also hear the use of Q-codes. Q-codes were meant to speed up Morse code transmissions by using abbreviations for the phrases most frequently sent by hams. Some feel there is no place on 2-meters for Q-codes while others feel that if both stations understand and it shortens the exchange, so much the better. Over the years Q-codes have become acceptable on phone along with CW.
QTH - What
is your location? Or my location is.
Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Fox-trot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliet, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa (pah pah), Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, Zulu.
Automatic Position Reporting System
Like most things in life, a little common sense goes a long way. When using a repeater, be mindful of the fact that many others may be listening. Don’t say anything on the air that you may regret later. If in doubt, don’t say it! Keep your conversations brief. No one likes to have someone monopolize a repeater for hours on end.
Make sure your equipment is working properly. Check all your connections and your antenna system frequently to make sure that you are not causing interference or irritating noises on the repeaters. If you are using a power supply, make sure it has the proper filtering for radio use. A power supply with inferior filtering can generate a very annoying AC hum.
Ignore those that cause interference as they usually do this to get attention.
And last but not least, it takes many hours of dedication and expertise to maintain an effective repeater. If you find you are using a repeater frequently, offer to help support those that own/maintain the repeater or take out a membership with the club that sponsors the repeater.
Hope you find this information helpful. To contact the MBARC, see below:
Repeater Group >